This blog entry from the UFO Reality says UFOs aren't ETVs (extraterrestrial vehicles), but the author presents the most spurious illogical argument it's hard to take it seriously and I'm a little puzzled where they're coming from (but that may be due to my own regular confused state).
Well, I guess the pyramids of Giza never existed before Pythagoras was born, nor was the Earth, moon and Sun spherical, nor was Stonehenge arranged in a pattern, prehistoric people didn't paint geometric shapes in caves, and snowflakes don't display geometric patterns. Sheesh, where would we be without the Greeks!
This is easy. Witnesses were using a thing called analogy. They weren't saying the smell was sulphur, they were saying it smelled like sulphur. The periodic table of elements isn't limited to Earth -- we have sent probes to other planets in the solar system and analysed chemicals and minerals there, afterall. ;-)
Anyways, have a read and post your thoughts. It's a very unconvincing argument, but I do agree that many UFO encounters don't fit the nuts-and-bolts pattern and what we consider to be the "norm" here on Earth. The author could have saved some of their argument by including a little of Jacques Vallee's work to debunk the ETV theory. But I just don't buy the argument that UFOs must fit human preconceptions and knowledge -- we barely know anything about the world we live, let alone thinking we know about alien civilisations whom we don't know anything about.
Many researchs insist on a one-theory-fits-all for the UFO phenomena (saying they're all dimensional or they're all natural or they're all nuts-and-bolts ETVs from other planets). There's enough room in UFO reports to fit all theories -- natural phenomena, man-made, supernatural, nuts-and-bolts from outer space, extradimensional, etc. Each UFO encounter must be taken on its individual merits, rather than being forced into a preconceived one-size-only theory. As Stanton Friedman says, some UFOs do display natural or man-made or dimensional or supernatural properties -- but he's only interested in the nuts-and-bolts ones.



ETs are stupid
The ETs who communicate with these doubtful characters should simply come out in the open and say something. Something convincing.
With our lowly technology on this backward planet, everyone can now say everything they want, and the rest of the planet will know.
So I say to the ETs visiting this month: say something.
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It is not how fast you go
it is when you get there.
Spurious argument(s)?
Rick...
You are right of course...however...
The point of the posting "UFOs are not strange... enough to be alien or extraterrestrial craft" was to show that the things are not as foreign as everyone likes to think they are.
Sure, primitives and the early Egyptians and Sumerians constructed geometric forms, but it was the Greeks who formalized the math that allowed others to build upon the obvious forms from nature (the roundness of the sun or moon, and the shape of natural mounds that sparked the pyramids perhaps, et cetera).
Nonetheless, the gist of our piece shouldn't be diluted by the goofiness of our examples.
That said, your point is well-taken, and your thought processes here are exemplary.
Rich Reynolds (for the RRRGroup and The UFO Reality, etc.)
Greeks from Space
Hi Rich,
Thanks for the reply. I didn't mean my post to be condescending in any way -- apologies if it came across as such. I re-edited my post to what I was trying to say.
We're assuming that alien civilisations don't have their own versions of ancient Greek mathematicians -- imagine a Zeta Reticulan Pythagoras! Also, ancient mathematics don't always lead to geometry and engineering. Take the Maya for example, their mathematics led them in an entirely different direction to the Greeks. And the Chinese, exemplary mathematicians, couldn't work out the concept of 'zero'! We can't assume that evolution of alien knowledge must conform to our own, seeing as we know nothing about them, so I find the example spurious (but not goofy! It's lateral thinking worth exploring).
But I wholeheartedly agree with the gist of your post, that many UFOs don't conform to nuts-and-bolts explanations that fit our Earth view of science and knowledge. Jacque Vallee and many others have established a very convincing argument against nuts=and-bolts.
Anyways, I'm mathematically illiterate (always failed at school), and I just got sprung by my boss when I should be working.
Thanks again Rich, and keep up the great work at RRR. We should start a "goofy anti-science" blog!
Rick
Goofy, anti-science blog?
Rick...
I think our blog at http://rrrgroup.blogspot.com already fits that genre.
I didn't think your comments about our "UFOs are not strange..." post were condescending.
Your observations about our examples were near the mark.
(And I agree -- Jacques Vallee is probably closer to the UFO reality than anyone else.)
We love your postings here...they are always erudite.
RR